Curse

BaconSoda · Jan 19, 2008, 06:35 AM // 06:35

For 10...74 seconds, you gain +40 armor, you move 33% faster, and your attacks deal holy damage. This Skill is disabled for 120 seconds.

That's the skill description, can someone please explain to me what gives this skill such a large advantage vs the other elite dervish skills that a player could run? The effects aren't all that noteworthy, and can easily be reproduced with other skills. The only redeeming feature is the armor, which negates 1/2 of the physical damage, but it too can be almost completely reproduced with other Dervish skills (Conviction). Why is it that so many people feel compelled to always have this on their bar?

Mr. Undisclosed · Jan 19, 2008, 06:41 AM // 06:41

Umm...because they're new? A non stop 40 armor and 33% speed boost sounds pretty nice to a newbie.

Arkantos · Jan 19, 2008, 07:13 AM // 07:13

Because it makes you look cool!!!111

But seriously, it's a bad elite, and people run it because they're bad. Same reason people run flare, healing breeze, etc.

horseradish · Jan 19, 2008, 07:15 AM // 07:15

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Originally Posted by BaconSoda

For 10...74 seconds, you gain +40 armor, you move 33% faster, and your attacks deal holy damage. This Skill is disabled for 120 seconds.

That's the skill description, can someone please explain to me what gives this skill such a large advantage vs the other elite dervish skills that a player could run? The effects aren't all that noteworthy, and can easily be reproduced with other skills. The only redeeming feature is the armor, which negates 1/2 of the physical damage, but it too can be almost completely reproduced with other Dervish skills (Conviction). Why is it that so many people feel compelled to always have this on their bar?

I believe you're one of the more competent persons on this forum. XP

Sirugel Kai · Jan 19, 2008, 07:30 AM // 07:30

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Originally Posted by Arkantos

Because it makes you look cool!!!111

people run it because they're bad. Same reason people run flare, healing breeze, etc.

I'm not saying I use any of that .. but
Maybe.. Just MAYBE they're new to the game

That IS a possibility you know?

Just because someone has never been told "AoB is bad" doesnt mean they are bad for using it.. They're just uninformed or new..

In my opinion you can't be "bad" at a game where about all you do is click and smash buttons. There isn't much talent in there.

LightningHell · Jan 19, 2008, 07:37 AM // 07:37

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Just because someone has never been told "AoB is bad" doesnt mean they are bad for using it.. They're just uninformed or new..

In my opinion you can't be "bad" at a game where about all you do is click and smash buttons. There isn't much talent in there.

"Bad" implies "inability to perform to a reasonable capability". Being new to the game generally means you are uninformed about general trends and such, is not able to perform to a reasonable capacity usually expected by experienced players.

And one could also argue that one can't be "bad" at chess where all you do is move pieces, or one cannot be bad at a sport because all you do is run around manipulating a ball. Evidently that is not the case.

Sirugel Kai · Jan 19, 2008, 07:40 AM // 07:40

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Originally Posted by LightningHell

And one could also argue that one can't be "bad" at chess where all you do is move pieces, or one cannot be bad at a sport because all you do is run around manipulating a ball. Evidently that is not the case.

To play chess you need to be able to think.
To play a sport you have to be strong / physically fit
To mash buttons and use a build you have to stare at it for 3 minutes

LightningHell · Jan 19, 2008, 07:43 AM // 07:43

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Originally Posted by Sirugel Kai

To play chess you need to be able to think.
To play a sport you have to be strong / physically fit
To mash buttons and use a build you have to stare at it for 3 minutes

To play Guild Wars properly you have to be able to think and make decisions on the spot, within a timeframe of a second or less, and have impeccable teamwork, as well as have a certain degree of reflex.

Of course, this applies less to PvE, where you can finish the game with one hand down your pants.

Sirugel Kai · Jan 19, 2008, 07:47 AM // 07:47

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Originally Posted by LightningHell

To play Guild Wars properly you have to be able to think and make decisions on the spot, within a timeframe of a second or less, and have impeccable teamwork, as well as have a certain degree of reflex.

Of course, this applies less to PvE, where you can finish the game with one hand down your pants.

Well if you're talking about PvP then forget i even said that.. but for PvE the only thing i can think of right now that requires any "skill" would be running places
And even then it isn't hard to say "omg a big mob" -mystic regen -VoS- -runs-

Edit: K.. Its 3:00 here, i'm tired, and im going to bed. Yay for sleep >.<..

Arkantos · Jan 19, 2008, 08:02 AM // 08:02

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Originally Posted by Sirugel Kai

I'm not saying I use any of that .. but
Maybe.. Just MAYBE they're new to the game

That IS a possibility you know?

Just because someone has never been told "AoB is bad" doesnt mean they are bad for using it.. They're just uninformed or new..

In my opinion you can't be "bad" at a game where about all you do is click and smash buttons. There isn't much talent in there.

Or maybe...just MAYBE, older players are running this too? When you're talking about bad players and bad skills, you're talking about players in general, and not just about new players. New players will run bad skills because they don't know better. Take a look on the forums, you'll see people who have been playing since 05/06 running crappy bars. They're not new, they're not uninformed, they're just bad. Those are the players we're, and most discussions about bad players and skills, are talking about.

When you're smashing buttons, you clearly have no talent, you're just smashing buttons. In normal mode that's all you have to do, but in hard mode and PvP you actually, you know, have to know what to do to some extent (unless you're running ursan or some gimmick), and like Lightning said, make decisions very fast. So yes, Guild Wars does take skill, to some extent.

MrFinklestein · Jan 19, 2008, 04:32 PM // 16:32

I used this skill when I first bought Nightfall, then I was enlightened by Reapers Sweep, and now I'm using Avatar of Lyssa. The only time I used AoB since then is when i was running from Kaineng Center to The Marketplace and didn't want to switch out my whole bar for a 2 second run.

Pyro maniac · Jan 19, 2008, 04:36 PM // 16:36

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Originally Posted by MrFinklestein

I used this skill when I first bought Nightfall, then I was enlightened by Reapers Sweep, and now I'm using Avatar of Lyssa. The only time I used AoB since then is when i was running from Kaineng Center to The Marketplace and didn't want to switch out my whole bar for a 2 second run.

[skill]Pious Haste[/skill]

better at running ;-)

MrFinklestein · Jan 19, 2008, 04:55 PM // 16:55

I was only using it for a one time run.

flclisgreat · Jan 19, 2008, 05:12 PM // 17:12

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Originally Posted by Pyro maniac

[skill]Pious Haste[/skill]

better at running ;-)

how can a skill that lasts 10 seconds be better than one that lasts a minute? they both run 33% faster

Darkside · Jan 19, 2008, 05:41 PM // 17:41

Despite being one of the worst avatars it seems to be the most popular with people. A guy in my old guild that has been playing guild wars for 3 years pinged me his dervish's build and it was...well it was bad. I pinged him my Lyssa build which is pretty standard and he seemed unimpressed. I'm not sure how you can convince people that other avatars are better but I know a lot of people that still run Balthazar.

Anyway, only time I would use AoB is for running or if it was the only elite dervish skills I had available to me.

On another note Anet should add AoB to it's next skill balance list... change the 33% run to 33% IAS...then it might be worth using.

MagicalHobo · Jan 19, 2008, 05:50 PM // 17:50

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Originally Posted by flclisgreat

how can a skill that lasts 10 seconds be better than one that lasts a minute? they both run 33% faster

Because you can keep reapplying it with a minimal loss in energy. And, since it's a stance, there's no casting time and you don't need to stop to reapply it like AoB + Eternal Aura.

flclisgreat · Jan 19, 2008, 06:07 PM // 18:07

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Originally Posted by MagicalHobo

Because you can keep reapplying it with a minimal loss in energy. And, since it's a stance, there's no casting time and you don't need to stop to reapply it like AoB + Eternal Aura.

balth at 11 mysticism is ~70 seconds. pios at 11 is 10 seconds. 7x5e=35e/ balth x1+eternal=20e.

perfect for short runs.

(still a crap elite overall)

Arkantos · Jan 19, 2008, 07:10 PM // 19:10

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Originally Posted by flclisgreat

how can a skill that lasts 10 seconds be better than one that lasts a minute? they both run 33% faster

Pious Haste isn't an elite, Avatar of Balthazar is. With Pious Haste, you can bring Vow of Silence, which makes running easymode.

Washi · Jan 19, 2008, 08:54 PM // 20:54

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Originally Posted by Darkside

On another note Anet should add AoB to it's next skill balance list... change the 33% run to 33% IAS...then it might be worth using.

That would be totally overpowered. IAS is something you have to be very careful with, when you are ballancing skills.

Sirius-NZ · Jan 20, 2008, 02:04 AM // 02:04

Much as I'd like to see 33% IAS, it'd be ... basically a super-leeroy build. You could pretty much run that, a bunch of attacks and nothing else (Eternal Aura and a res obviously, but still).

Then again, that's more or less what Ursan is already...